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[0:00:06] appreciate all the builders joining us again thank you all for taking time out of your day uh come help us get this right when we had our meeting back in february we didn't uh plan on it being so long since we got back together that we had our initial um uh adoption for the 2018 building code hearing on february 27th and as everybody knows been a little water under the bridge since then there's a lot of things going on so we may need to just kind of refresh get everybody caught up on what we talked about what the issues are but we'll go ahead and get going with that before we do that if everybody will stand with us i'm going to ask colin gallagher to lead us in prayer and if you will remain standing for the pledge allegiance heavenly father lord thank you for allowing us to gather here lord to allow us to cut to discuss things that will uh help our citizens lord and help the builders lord jesus uh lord i just pray that you'll be with us throughout this meeting here we pray amen to the united states of america to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice what we'll do is go in when we left the meeting at in february we had a few builders that will start off talking about wind and seismic most of the issues we went through there was no really very little discussion about everybody pretty much understood that or agreed with it or didn't express disagreement the two main issues that we want to start talking about are wynn and seismic james gentry our chief building official i asked him before we had our last meeting to go in and simplify that

[0:02:08] you know if you read those building codes you know you're going to be there a minute so i asked james just to simplify it make it as simple as we can bottom line is we backed off with that in 2017 just because we felt like the previous building code was too detailed too hard to understand uh so we did you know we did have some delays there i know a lot of the builders are already doing uh things to make the homes safer you know for wind and seismic but we can't deny that you know we got to move forward we do have to have something formal uh that we require to make our homes uh safer for wind and siding so james listed it out there but we had a few builders johnny i think do you remember who it was that we had two or three that we're going to put together some and do a little research and put it into sean green and chris massey okay sean and chris did they have do you by chance know that have they contacted you or they said i think when everything hit everybody just fell apart okay um well basically what we got we can do then is just kind of james if you'll just what you did was a pretty good summary and if you will help us out just summarize let me see how many points that was it looks like it's about four major things but just on on the uh the january sixth memo that she sent senator gave to me it outlined like i asked you to do would you pull that document and then just go go over the or just summarize for everybody again what you recommend for when inside so okay so

[0:04:18] uh as you said a few minutes ago we've been doing a lot of the wind inside stuff already so what we were looking to do was was add a few more things that we haven't been doing that could make a big difference or would make a big difference those would be hold downs corners [Music] that a lot of people are doing them already [Music] um hold downs on the corners to hold the walls to the slack exterior walls interior load bearing walls be anchored with bolts three inch by three inch washer hold walls to the slab most everybody's doing that already 18 gauge steel strapping to be installed 48 centers across four joists faces walls to connect stories together we're trying to do that already and most everybody is [Music] the steel clips that hold the rafters to the top plates or we're already doing all that so really the difference would be where you were rebuilding a home that that has a lot of openings or the openings are too close to the corners you have to add brace walls so or move windows or [Music] take windows out so that's where the biggest impact would be so brace walls four feet in width must be provided within 10 feet of all corners and within 20 feet of each other where this cannot be met or when more

[0:06:19] than one story pre-fabricated panels must be used those must be shown on the plan so the material supplier can provide the proper materials on the front end so we already do this um and have free for years for more of the custom homes where there's a lot of glass there's wind window door double door window window in the window down the whole side so that's that's kind of an engineering thing that has to be done by an engineer but um more specifically what we're talking about here this is kind of a rule of thumb that could just be applied where if you look at your plan and you've got you've pushed your windows out to the corners you've got a lot of windows across the back then you just know you've got to have a bracelet so it simplifies a whole chapter into one statement and it's this is basically just trying to comply with when it's not really seismic so we still wouldn't be complying with the but we figured the wind was the better approach so that's what we're looking for there in my opinion from what i see for most of the builders here that are building mid-sized homes most of the designers have figured that out already they have the notes on their plans and they're pushing windows where they need to be and they're calling out a bracelet so if you're looking at one or two price walls per home probably on average for the mid-sized homes like say when you get to the custom owners then you gotta have engineering for those anyway a lot of those are they're opening them up in the middle and they're putting beams and so now you gotta have spread footings and all kind of i mean it's they're doing some pretty elaborate

[0:08:21] stuff on the larger home some of them we just got one in i just got handed to me yesterday when i got back over 8 000 square feet so when you when you go 30 feet in the air big open space like the trend now is everything to be opened it takes a good bit of design to accomplish that and do it right we've had some here where it wasn't done right and the houses started sagging in the middle so um we're trying hard to you know to make sure that that gets done of course residential plans are a lot different than commercial building plans there's minimal information on there so we we just try to get enough details so that we can tell that structurally everything is there for the person who's actually going to be building it so they have something to reference and make sure they're doing it right and james where are we gonna these i just listened what you said and i look at my notes from the february meeting so it's basically you break it down into six things and like you said i know and i know most most of the builders are already doing most of this stuff already um but those six things that you just listed and read how are you going to communicate that to the builders they're going to be is that going to be you're going to have that in writing in our code or you're going to paraphrase that in our code or what will be the official reference like i'm building a house i want to know what are the requirements where do i get that um that's a good question it's in the code already but i know that um it's hard for the average person to go in yeah and find that's what i'm saying i want to make it crisp and clear for everybody to simplify it i hate to use this term and like some cliff notes i won't have a page you know somewhere that's readily accessible to all the builders where they can go and they can see you know they're trying to tell you know

[0:10:23] one of their superintendents or a subcontractor what we have to do hey here it is here's a piece of paper that list you know what you got to do so i'd like to have that really available probably we can certainly make a guide and put those things in there and make it available on our website or whatever and then let me ask um you know we'll open up the floor in just a minute but i just from what i remember in the discussion or multiple discussions um there was a question about the plans having the wind and seismic in there and someone had expressed some concern about the cost of having the plans have a an add-in page or whatever the correct terminology is and the cost of that and then you indicated that you felt like just using an example for a 2000 square foot house that it was very affordable to do that like i believe you mentioned 10 cents to redraw it 10 cents per foot so roughly it was going to be approximately 100 to 200 100 200 bucks is that is that accurate well the thing is is this the way this brace wall language is written uh most of it's on a lot of the plans already in the notes okay it's not they're not drawn out or placing them on there they're leaving it up to the contractor to read that note okay and follow it [Music] so that you know that gives them they do it that way because it gives them a little leeway to move windows do things that way it's kind of your choice you got to meet this yeah it's kind of a broad rule but you can take a window out if you need to or you can put a panel in or you can move things around so it's it's not now on the like i say on the big homes we're going to have to have it on the

[0:12:25] drawings on those because there's not much chance you can't write a broad note that will cover the engineering that that's needed for those but yeah the average house just to follow the notes on there seems to be appropriate anything that works fine and there was one other thing that and i remember i can't remember johnny it was shawn or maybe brian is brian healing the groundhog c brian um so one of one of those i can't remember which one made uh or expressed the concern that about the strapping like the 18 gauge still strapping that they were concerned about having to go in and move windows through the work can y'all update you know what what what that helped me understand what that concern was i don't know um and we're already using it so the problem about moving windows and everything else i think if you get these recommendations out i can get them out to everybody including all the planned people just about and that will that will cover the city and help us if we have to draw up two hundred dollars a plan i know some of them build more jerry goes three plans jerry over here builds 20. so i know it's more cost but if it will cover us on the front end when you're getting into the architectural these bigger houses you're going to have to end up hiring a engineer to come out for 350 bucks to go with the inspector look at it and get a recommendation because even the plant general plan people are going to hurt certain things then you get into an architect they're going to go way overboard if that makes sense so as far as the 18 gauge moving windows you know if you if you don't move a window you just got to go to a paddle that's it well that's why i wanted to in a february meeting i said this i want to reassure everybody here our goal is to take a common sense approach we want to use common sense we're not trying to add something that's going to you know

[0:14:26] completely add an unreasonable cost or or like you said bring out and have an over analysis done that kind of thing we're going to use good common sense with it but we do want to make you know make sure that the homes are safer so is there regarding that i was thinking there was a discussion about the the strapping but it was about the panel's abundance of parents was the main thing okay i mean i think what we're doing now is significant i mean seismic compared to other cities and other things i know this is a different but the cities that go over boredom ordering all those panels it just blows up the cost of the house yeah and you can't keep it you know if we're gonna go for windmill i mean you know anybody remembers the tornado of 97 out of germantown it hit when it hit it didn't mess up like anything on one street it hit one three thousand four thousand square foot house and took it out so if it if the tornado comes you're gonna it's your time if it's your time it's your time you'll do all you can there's earthquake it comes it's our time that's right it's our time it's our time for it yeah we ain't worried about no hurricane we don't live on the coast what is there some kind of concern they're brought up about so there's only one place they get those spammers or something okay some of those panel places you know they they go down there and entertain all the code enforcement guys and all of a sudden you know they're selling you know next thing a local place well we gotta have pounds you know you'll have somewhere in arkansas that that not pick on arkansas that doesn't have any restrictions on everybody all they want panels and they're not even doing half of the stuff because they went to the builder convention and have a good time and haven't got soaked in battles you know but yes there's usually one or two people that do that well let's just just as an overview the

[0:16:30] things that james talked about what are their concerns from anybody about that well like i said johnny they'll do it ahead of time and we get it out to the planter guys on our side of the house because i mean on barrier you may have to have because we're usually telling our people same as every time and then now starting to get pdfs to the city so it's not really that much cost you know it's a one-time kind of thing and you know when you use a repeat plan like jerry and jerry does or i do it's cheaper when you're not printing plans or whatever it's a discounted deal so doing it one time it's not a lot because after you do it one time and you keep building the same plan which you only got to do at one time like ken said ken's the engineer too so he can help you you know on the structural stuff you stay away from the panels it helps you know but everything else is pretty legit and like james says we're doing just about all of it already uh spectre comes out and sees a little bit more hey throw a little strapping more on that to be safe it's no big deal i had one or two weeks ago that was a question whatever i called the engineer out got him out what do you think about this i'd already made the changes and he said yeah that's great you've got it going over and then i went overstrapping it and then you know inspector was fine so i think i think we're good with everything okay and then would it be i know it'd be beneficial to me just if i get a question about it but would it be beneficial for us to have some kind of one page or somewhere that just lists these six things yes you did and i can get it out to everybody for the home builders and all the planned people and from there you know if you're an individual coming in building your house which there's going to be very few of those now because banks are not going to let somebody come build a house without having a contractor to help or whatever because you know they're they're live building so you know if you get an individual or a smaller builder that doesn't keep in

[0:18:33] they're probably going to come up and you'll have one page to get to them or you know we'll get you get the word out how you need to call up there and talk to them for just a time okay they're busy but they'll make time for you okay are they the board are there any questions from the board about any of that no uh i didn't talk with the wheeler the cost of the materials and things have really dramatically gone up i think he said lumber's really shut up a whole lot so he asked me if we could recommend that we kick this down i mean approve it and everything but implement it maybe a couple months down the road just to give the builders a little more time to get used to the idea of doing it is that something that would y'all rather have it implemented later or well no doubt plumbers have really has been a huge increase no doubt about that but aren't we doing most of the time yeah most of it already i don't think most of it is based on the last meeting what johnny said today i don't think most of it is anything that has not already been done now the problem and again i should probably recap this but just for everybody the reason this is important for us is you know we we're actually late adopting this you know a lot of the other cities have already done this many months ago and it's important for our fire rating you know we we get our fire rating we need to be able to show that we're up to up to that on our building so um and if he's just talking about like 60 days or something and we can talk about that but we definitely don't want to wait too long we want to go ahead and get it you know get it formalized and like johnny said like i said in the beginning you know the code of christ has kind of kind of jacked us up we were planning on having the follow-up meeting like the next month in march right and being done so we're already like five minutes late now

[0:20:35] but yeah we'll we can whatever we need to do to help we can we'll definitely don't want it to mess with our fire because you know and that's not something that's going to work yeah i'm a sorry yes sir jerry yeah jamie uh i'm trying to finish that office building there on swingy road you know and i i turn it into the inside of it and you charge the city charged me eight hundred dollars for you to read my plans is that correct i thought permit just 800 bucks for you to look over my plans is that correct i couldn't tell you not to talk about that okay okay and we'll come we can jay we can come back and uh like talk about the other let me let me finish up winning silence right real quick i'm sorry any other yes sir so on the plans that are already in the office like that are already in process being built none of those will have to be if it were to go into effect today none of those plans will have to be resubmitted or with that with that text on the plans i mean the ones that are already in process are the ones that have already been approved by your review won't have to come back before the city will it again we want to use a common sense approach if it's already underway james about that i've got one that we've already pulled from another whenever we find one that is a more than a normal issue we've been calling them out already so you know i have to look at your plan specifically to see what the situation is if we called one out or asked

[0:22:38] put one i would suggest uh maybe spring your inspection times out for the next 30 to 60 days maybe give it another 15 minutes for framing so you can walk around and talk about it maybe look at another house in the neighborhood too everybody kind of get a good pull on this because you know what's going to happen you got one then you kind of tighten up a little bit and then you got that date you know somebody's gonna try it right you know how it is but if you can spend 15 more minutes on inspection instead of running i know it's going to slow things down that everything is already bustling but that would help the builder explain and the builder needs to be there meet the inspector or somebody does that know something and walk around with your main framework walk around that understand where we're at with the sixth deal and then next time again and we said we got to do this because most people are going to build more hey outside that 30 to 60 range man tear it out i mean adam said that we're done you know yeah we anticipated you know implementation would be so i mean we try and work with everybody as much as we can because your new plans are going to start coming in within 30 days okay those new plans you know within 30 days they go to the new system they're overlooked by y'all y'all look at it on the plane review and there something wrong we know now now everything's pulled everything's going right now you really kind of work yourself into it now if you've got something that's going to sit there six months it's a slap man they they should have been in here you know so uh don't miss the team meeting what we'll do also is we'll reach out to the designers and some of you may have designers that we are not as familiar with there's a short list of the ones that we

[0:24:40] typically see and we can call them and talk to them explain to them what we're looking for i've talked to a few of them in the past so some of them have already got two three versions of plans and if you tell them you need the version that has the wind built in they save that version i don't know why they have done it that way i guess i guess so they can make more money well different municipalities if they self-carry the same plan in colorado school you know i mean you know you get people like them germantown they don't care if you do anything in the city or not so so they're going to make it i have actually seen some of the plans that say oakland tennessee requirements and the germantown requirements are quite inches on there so i haven't looked down closely to see what the differences are but there must be differences because they haven't voted over here quite a bit of it we just don't folks went around here for 40 years 50 years i hate to say it well been around here a long time and appreciate you there but johnny no i think that's a good idea just you know as we transition we want to give people you know make sure they understand you know i think the answer is yes to that so we'll get that done and we will go back and we didn't answer did we answer the gentleman's question about if you've already started like you're in midway with one now i don't think it makes sense to make you go back and start over we're gonna roll on let you finish what you've got well i think the main i think the main thing we wanted to make sure is that we

[0:26:41] weren't fixing enough to go through the whole review process of the plans again if we you know we've got slab order which we you know the certain points of it and i mean the most of them already have some of it already on there the text on there anyway so it shouldn't be but i just didn't want to have to stop a house in mid process and send it back through the process no i don't think that makes any sense right yeah like i said most of our plans already have that built in and and uh we most of the ones that we're building so those shouldn't have what he was saying is those shouldn't have to be redone it's just anything new or if we get something different than we're already building right most of your supplement plans and i'm not i don't keep them for anybody but most of the supplement plans that you guys submit to us have that note already that note is very similar to what we put here for that reason because we saw that they were already putting that on the plan so people shouldn't have familiar with seeing that language so that's why it's written in the way it's written just to make it easier so any other any other concerns or comments about wind and seismic okay there's no other concerns there we'll go ahead like we talked about and get it uh get like a checklist done for these to simplify it uh we'll get that done we put it on the website get something in paper too uh who can reference that we'll take care of that all right the next thing before we move on to that jerry i want to address you're talking about a commercial somebody commercial an engineer an engineer in sweden uh we simply plan to james

[0:28:42] yeah and there's difference obviously in residential commercial yeah and you you charge me eight hundred dollars to read the plans is that correct i i i can't tell you i'm talking yes i have to i go live my checkbook i have y'all charged me eight hundred dollars just to review the inside of the shell where i built when i'm building my building i'll get back with you well commercial i don't know what calculation i guess for that particular space but the way it works yeah i'm a taxpayer i vote permit and y'all won't charge me 800 dollars just to look i know the specifics we'll need to get back on that but what are we what are we talking about i don't understand what we're talking about i'll get back with you he's finishing i know a lot of times we require engineered drawings you know some we're not talking about engineering drugs you're talking about city feed yes okay yeah just get the specific seven we'll check it out make sure it's fair i don't want you i don't want i don't want you to leave and feel like you got hosed okay we're gonna we'll get you straight up okay next the next thing and uh what we'll do is let's talk about this next name because it requires the most conversation then we'll do a general overview of any questions about anything else just to make sure that we don't leave any questions unanswered and then i got a little follow-up at the end i want to share with you but the next biggest issue is on residential the sprinkler system

[0:30:44] and the biggest thing there tim would you help us with that tim roland the biggest thing there is there's a little bit of difference on what other cities do and what southam has done in the past and it gets a little confusing when we have a square footage amount set i think the term we used was living space well now things as you all know have changed so much with people uh using space that's not heated and cool you know when you got your uh all these outdoor kitchens that are that are happening now that are huge uh you got your obviously your garages and porches and things like that that are standard um so what we found is that you know sometimes and again i'm not pointing the finger to anybody i'm just trying to make sure everybody understands the issue we'll have a situation where somebody will have a huge expandable area on a second floor and so they don't heat and cool it you know they go to get the get it inspected and so we go out there and it's under 5000 feet well they have another 2500 feet or i mean in some situations just a ridiculous amount so it's kind of like it's not real you know it's not really a 5 000 square foot house it's a 7 000 square foot house or 7 500 so what we're trying to do is simplify it uh number one so it's clear for everybody to understand so builders know hey if i'm building this house that's what i got to do or i don't have to do this the other thing is that it cuts out on work in the system i mean some people you're just going to work the system so we want to keep it clear for everybody so the recommendation at the february meeting is that we get away from you know the term of a vague term of living space and then we go to just you know just cut it just go straight up with whatever the uh the total square footage is whether it's heated or cooler so obviously if we were at five but heated and cooled if we're gonna do total we need to raise that so we know we need to raise that number so the discussion today is what is that number so i think uh our meeting got a little crazy that was the last thing we

[0:32:47] talked about um i think uh six thousand felt so good we went to seven eight before we left the meeting so we got a little crazy at the end so we can't go to 7-8 but let's open up the floor anybody wants to make a recommendation on what that number should be i think john david went to seven we started at because we talked about a 5 000 square foot house triple garage back covered patio that's about another thousand twelve hundred feet you know if you're building that size house uh seven thousand it's high you know i think six sixty five hundred now we're not talking i know what you're talking about expandable area it's already drawn diplomas we're not talking about my neighborhood or colonial hills where everybody you know finished in their attic made a bedroom you know this has drawn the plans so it's you know could be expanded you know and if there's any question the inspector would know when they're out there because you know the ceiling joists are going to be over the garage or whatever but i mean that's where we were eight i think is too high well and i would just say this you know for my own knowledge of the city you know the percentage of homes that we have that are over 6 000 feet i mean that's not that's not a huge percentage and let's just all admit it when you get into building a house it's over six dollars that's a big house i mean that's that's dangerous for our firemen and that's the issue is not that anybody's trying to be difficult for somebody but we got to protect the lives of our firemen too and when you send a fireman into a seven thousand eight thousand square foot house with no sprinkler system um they're they're having truck they're trying to find the origin of the fire they're trying to put the fire and get all the men and women out there safely it's just asking our men and women to do a whole lot when you start getting into home that size and so uh that's something i want to you

[0:34:49] know bring the fire chief let him speak a little bit about it and uh and danny with chiefs counties would you would you tell us a little bit uh what i just said you can say it much better so would you explain the risk you know to our to our fire personnel you have a fire large home yes sir i'm glad to uh typically with any residential fire um and it can vary quite a bit depending on what stage the fire is in when we get there but a lot of times you get there and as they make entry into the structure it's zero visibility so some of the biggest challenges that we face is going to be locating the fire and the longer it takes them to do that then the more that fire is going to grow so as you uh you know go into a larger structure such as a six seven thousand square foot home that doesn't have any type of sprinkler suppression systems then you're at a higher risk not only for the firemen going in but those are the oxygens you know it's a bigger area for them to have to search in order to look for occupants that may be unable to get out on their own so it does it increases uh the risk the way we see it and i would recommend six thousand square foot um to be the back uh i understand that uh you know i asked in their last meeting and i don't know i know everything kind of fell apart but it's uh you know some of the homebuilders would look at the plans that they build and kind of compare you know if you're building a 5 000 square foot heated what does that equate to under roof and just to see how things compare i went through and pulled some plans and i know they will they have a better knowledge than i do just looking at some of the plans that are out there that are similar to what we see in south haven typically if you're building you know a heated 5000 you're not you're not going way over i don't think we're going to be sprinkling many more homes by going to the 6000 under route but that would be a question i would ask for them i know they had a lot more experience with that than i would anybody in the audience would y'all help us with that talk to us a little bit about like your specific plans that you know that you're going to be building

[0:36:50] the future that you may have built recently um you know it's between five and seven i mean how is this going to impact you and just talk to us a little bit if you really please where are the uh fire plugs uh fire hydrants uh how far in the subdivision how far are they apart a thousand people all these houses that we build have smoke detectors in them and uh fire and you know the city code when you find them out and make sure the smoke protector goes off okay every fire plug is a thousand feet how many fire stations do we have working on number five there you go and that's where probably the majority of the bigger houses are going to be built at now probably where number five is up and down where bridgeport could put in other bigger subdivisions does that make sense yeah i think the point you're making is uh you know the availability of fire hydrants and water supply that's the same for the 2 000 square foot home as well so the challenge for us comes in with the larger homes yes i understand i think five 6500 but i just took a little hoe you know the guys that build the customs aren't here but you know at that point in time i mean you're a million dollar house which is five thousand that's that's the point i'm trying to make if you're if you know you're gonna build a house that's over six thousand feet it's a custom-built house you know that you're gonna be it's a high dollar house you know and really i mean do you really wanna cut this i mean you probably should be putting a sprinkler system in well i'm not going to be building 100 6 000 square foot houses a year it might you know make a difference on the bottom line that hey if we could do it here we'd be glad to but it's just not our market so i think if you go out there in a specialized deal you know you build a 5 000 square foot again you got a 30 by 30 garage you got outdoor living in 200 feet you know

[0:38:54] you're over 6000 to 65 right there yeah you know james did you want to add something if i could i'd just like to explain how sprinkler systems work there are a lot of myths out there and a lot of misunderstandings and the purpose for a residential sprinkler system is a little different than it is at least in brussels but a residential sprinkler the way it works and these are concealment but the way it works is the bus has residential rate for 155 degrees it's 155 degrees there's an element in there that melts or glass it has a chemical in there that expands and breaks the glass the plunger falls out water comes out it's the same they haven't changed the way spring would work since 18 whatever when they were invented they're very specific so that one sprinkler when it gets under 55 degrees there will work it opens up the others don't if it doesn't get 155 degrees where they are so you're talking 17 gallons a minute coming out of that sprinkler right on top of fire in that area so basically the temperature in that room is not going to get more than 300 degrees and if that sprinkler is not there in a matter of minutes it's going to get 1200 degrees the whole room is going to be part of it at that point firefighter or anybody else in that room is going to die right so in a small hole it's not as big of an issue because response times you get there you know it's one room maybe two rooms typically they get in there and they knock you down you got a 5000 square foot home and you've got smoke coming out everywhere by the time they get there they don't know what they're looking for it's a safety issue it's it's your kids are

[0:40:57] you know on the other end of this house and they got to get out would you rather have a fire and let it get 300 degrees and it's over or do you want to let it keep doubling in size every five to seven minutes so by the time you get a response there you get enough people there to do a search and you don't want to have a child here in the last say six months how many houses you have burned down six thousand seven thousand square feet how many y'all responding to chief well we don't have very many uh homes in the city of south haven that are that big nor will we have very many homes that will be built so i think we are you know um talking a lot about uh very few instances in the last few months and it was very significant and there were large homes what uh that one was caused by the gentleman pulled up on the back patio with a lawnmower went inside called uh talked to his son yeah a lot more caught on fire fire went through the patio cover into the wall section up into the roof yes by the time the fire department got there it was pretty much about 25 involved um due to

[0:43:00] inaccessibility to get to where the fire was i believe that house went to about 50 before we were finally able to get it put out 50 to 75 you know what i was here when we had last week mr mayor february 27 you told me the same stuff you told me the same stuff so how many more have you had since then okay we had one probably three weeks ago okay now we're getting that again a little closer well sir i mean i don't know what's the exact same what's the with an open roof yeah but to answer jerry's question you know uh we know the city of south haven there's not you're percentage-wise most homes are not that size they're not i mean most of the homes that all the people in this room are building uh are not six thousand square feet they're they're not so uh do we have fires in those yeah we do and uh and if it's if it's one we gotta be prepared for that i mean you know just like the fire dickens place that was about two years ago i was out there myself because it was that significant you got to check on my men and women and when i tell you we had people that that's not their normal job they had a helmet on they were going in the building that's how that's how taxing it was on us so what the chief is telling you is it is for real so i just want to welcome you in life for real for real yeah when one of them was that and i don't think that was it i mean it was at least over 4 500 square feet it was a big pretty is that backstreet up on the hill one of those big dickens place houses and uh that thing was uh yeah it was it was a big job for our fire i commend you i commend you for your service i commend you thank you appreciate you thank you yes sir

[0:45:05] uh to further put some more input into this when you get to your larger homes you get into larger rooms so you got a free fall of the fire moving throughout that room so if you get a higher vtu and most of these houses in 15 minutes if it's not suppressed it's on the ground you're using composite materials you're using glue you use wood truss you're not using solid wood like you use an old day so it don't hold up that's the reason thank you well you're looking at a 5 000 square foot house with the outdoor stuff what's going to go in it you're looking 140 a foot probably i mean you're looking at nine hundred thousand dollar house i i six thousand is good sixty five hundred's better i wouldn't go to seven now you're defeating your purpose so johnny are you talking about under roof are you yeah under proof that whatever's on the plane yep the triple garage living area everything in there because i mean like i said jerry when you build over 5000 you're at 140 foot what you're putting everything in well you're honest building 4 800 square foot i paid two and but he's got 7 200 square feet under the roof so he's going to have to do it well you you've already know that permanent right that's pretty good yeah yeah but still i mean but i'm we've already had that conversation okay yeah but for just i was just asking for i'm my business model i'll never have to cross that bridge but i just wanted to know for knowledge yeah if you go to a set of plans it is what is under roof it's not a hard thing it's not an objective is whatever the plan say under root yeah and that's a good point jerry that's that's like one of our goals to simplify like that's like we're not getting out there and people arguing about this is not good or whatever we're

[0:47:07] just going to make it simple that way everybody knows in the front end you know whatever that number is on the roof that's the number and somebody goes through something in on that make sure just like the 8 100 square foot house we are ordinance right now reads five thousand square feet or more gross area under roof sorry right wrong way that was how it was originally written was five thousand square feet under roof it was changed to 5000 square feet or larger in finished or unfinished living area shall comply with nfpa 13d that 8 000 square foot under roof that james was talking about while ago figured up 4 900 heated and cooled square footage i mean i'm for i understand the the firing part i understand safety i'm not against this i was just trying to get clarification yeah don't get me wrong with me yes firefighters are also one of my top priorities absolutely but the sprinkler system isn't as much for us as the folks that are living in it because if we get there and it's 50 involved and the family's standing out in the front yard we're not going to spend as much time going in there doing searches everywhere yeah you look you don't have to convince me on sprinkler system all i was asking is when you start to do a budget you know people are out there uh and when they see that number go over 6500 they've got to add that sprinkler system in and you know on a large house like that yeah maybe twenty five hundred two thousand dollars yeah maybe

[0:49:08] when you build that size house that shouldn't matter yeah the answer is it's gonna be whatever's under whatever that number is whatever the board decides to do it's going to be on the roof yeah and that's on every set of planes well that was only how this guy started was because i wanted to get finished or unfinished and all this because i have i've got some folks that have turned in 9 000 square foot houses but the heated and cool or the living space is 4 999 thank you appreciate that all right and then we'll move on um and then the board we'll we'll discuss and make a decision uh but before that is anyone raymond did you have something what is it what is that ob does it differently and i'll be very honest i don't like the way lb does it would you um i think all the branches pretty much consistently i thought they still had the vague living area terms that's what i'm saying what we have now okay what's now no and then that leads you up to debating what's the living area what's not and the county due to water supply in most of the rural areas and folks still being on [Music] whales and not having a full municipal water system the county has pretty much not adopted anything even though amazer since 2009 the irc residential code has actually said everything be sprinkled yeah that was why they just pulled less strength well i think that's what johnny's

[0:51:16] talking about when you get into those kind of numbers you're talking about a lot of it's a small percentage of the total cost like that yeah johnny you get on the floor is the point like we don't want yeah they're going to pick the location they want to be at that point in time that then they're not gonna go because they have a sprinkler system not in the county or here i mean it's all location location you know and be honest with you they're gonna look that size house if they're looking by one or building everything they're not going to look at south african person in the south that's just how it is they're going to look at germantown collierville east places like that so yeah it's the location that's going to draw in the subdivision yeah you know if they won't rule pregnant they're going to build out rural soda county there's not rule in salt lake you know if they want a subdivision nice subdivision whatever there's a couple maybe could be coming down the road the location's going to drive them not having a sprinkler system thank you any other discussion among the lord is john david witness verse john david do you have any um anything to add yeah and we're [Music] what is your what was your uh so you're saying that you feel like not not like johnny's example germantown collierville you're talking about if somebody's going to build that sized house in the southern county um us competing with olive branch or the county in general you think that that amount of money is a factor is that what you're saying

[0:53:40] as tim was saying the county just totally backed it out they're not even they're not even involved yeah well yeah we can't still working on going to the 18 codes i don't know if they're planning on bringing it up this time or not yeah but when the 12 code adoption they did on it yeah and the other issue you have to point out is we do have a better fire rating and all this people so there's a reason for that so this is important to keep the best fire rating which which doesn't make a difference for your homeowners people find your house in the county is a rating of six to ten where we are a three and almost two yeah we're hoping with station five we'll drop that too james i just want to make one more point on didn't say a sprinklers ago if that one sprinkler head operates and it knocks the fire down and if all of our crews get there that's an easy job if you don't have that sprinkler then you're gonna have all the resources from the city there on that one house yeah all night you know the next day and so i mean that it's it's a huge yeah we appreciate that i understand thank you okay we i think we i'm here i'm sorry if we uh if we did like 6 500 to 7 000 how would that affect our fire rating what kind of impact would that happen um really for the most part they're looking at the code adoption so that if we adopt a 2018 code we lose points once we are two codes out which we are now here in 2012 15 came out we didn't adopt 18 come out of having it off so we need to look forward but we can talk about it along the board the purpose of today's meetings we want to hear from you we want y'all to tell us you know what you think and what's on your mind y'all it happens at the time so i appreciate that then we'll come back and we'll uh actually vote on it and make whatever adjustments we need to make i think we're leaving today that

[0:55:43] we're in the six to sixty five minutes that's what we're believing today so all right we're going to move on if there's no discussion about the sprinkler and then just general overview when we left our february 27 meeting uh all the things that we went through that over here most of those were things that are already being done by most of the builders now there was no really no concerns that were expressed is there anything just in general that any of the builders any anything just do anything that you just have concerns about uh with um you know the building code of chambers nothing there i think answers right it's it's ungodly interest rates are so low it's unamerican that's a good problem huh that's good from them i love america not american if they're so low yeah man i don't like them logic they're low for you too jerry all right and then uh one one thing i didn't want to update all of you on is um y'all heard me say this before but we have to make changes we're in the process of setting our budget for the city budget year starts october 1. we start now to get it adopted and when we do that we have to make decisions with personnel and y'all know things can change over 12 months i mean just like in your business i mean things can change throughout the year so when we set our budget we set our personnel trying to be conscious of the taxpayer dollars based on what we feel like our needs are in every part of our operation so in our building department we set that based on the number of permits the number of houses that are being built but we realize that we're looking at that and we have been looking at that throughout the year we do realize that we need another building inspector so in our budget unless the board makes any changes the budget that's out there now guys does have uh one more building inspector and another building clerk too so we're trying to give you better service we know that that you need your permits

[0:57:45] done your inspection's done in a hurry so i just want you to know that we are conscious of that we are in some personnel to try to improve our service too that's really all that i had so we'll just um board do y'all have any thing that when we look into this discussion uh no i don't think we need another special meeting i think we would um i think we can uh hammer that down and put it on an agenda i think the the only i think the only thing that we're lacking is i mean james is going to help us get the one pager for the winning seismic right and then uh we just need to make a decision on the sides of the sprinkler presidential and i think we're good to go so we'll just put it on an upcoming agenda let's talk about the uh joel you brought up the uh john davis alderman we was concerned about uh giving some time because of the rising cost um is it i mean is is 30 60 days does that matter or i mean is there i mean y'all are already doing i think y'all already doing most of the stuff that's in there now so is there any benefit for the city delay in 30 days to pass the code or i don't think that really makes a difference to us not in 30 days just no i was going to say it and it's made it without saying obviously we want to adopt fire and building codes at the same time so there's no conflict yeah but uh typically say if we adopt it or adopted it or approved it in september maybe not adopt it or have it go into effect until the first of the year that will help the problem with the plans if you have somebody that's already you know have plans that they're saying it's going to be beneficial yeah okay that's a great thing with you y'all good with that yeah just don't make it effective until january 1. i think that's correct james you're going to now make it crisp and clear for everybody january 1. typically what we do what we've always done in the past is that a project that's in our autographs already that's okay

[1:00:12] yeah we actually let's go ahead and adopt it and make it effective january 1 21 clean let's do that one all right and then uh board anything else you all good with that somebody said lunch i'm ready for lunch anybody got anything else anything at home who's buying you mine no you might yeah i guess we'll go to one of your tenants restaurants let you buy them okay all right nobody has anything else there motion to adjourn got a foreign [Applause]

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